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Endangering People to Protect Fish
By Janet LevyCalifornia, the nation's largest producer of fruits, nuts, vegetables, livestock and dairy products, ranks fifth in the world as a supplier of food and agricultural commodities. Cash receipts totaled more than $36.6 billion in 2007. By comparison, Coca Cola's 2008 revenue was $32 billion. The state provides more than half of the nation's fruits, nuts and vegetables using more than 25% of California's landmass for agricultural production. The Central Valley accounts for more than half of that area. A paragon of conservation and modern irrigation technology, California agriculture - comprised... (Read Full Article)
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Oct 15, 01:43 AM |
Great article and research! What will happen once we are at a point where we can no longer help feed the world, but only ourselves? Is this the lefts agenda? World starvation... and blame it on Bush/Capitalism? Ayn Rand must have rolled a few times over by now....
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Oct 15, 02:40 AM |
As always, it's good intentions. A nice gesture on the part of good-hearted Americans trying to protect cute little animals has essentially deleted from the Constitution half of the 17th clause of Article I Section 8:
[To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the CONSENT of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;]
In other words, the States have to agree to cede territory to the Federal Government for the seat of power, and sell them the real estate which Congress has the power to legislate. Absent consent, the Federal Government has no legislative power whatsoever on land within a State, apart from what is enumerated in the Constitution. This little paragraph is the ultimate check on the powers of the Federal Government, upholding the sovereignty of the States. It stops the usurpation of State land by the feds for what they consider "Necessary and Proper" execution of federal power as granted by the Constitution.
Thomas Jefferson further drove home the point: "To the State governments are reserved all legislation and administration in affairs which concern their own citizens only; and to the federal government is given whatever concerns foreigners or citizens of other States, these functions alone being made federal."
Did California sell the Central Valley to Washington? Does the Central Valley affect citizens of other States? Does the Constitution grant Congress the power to regulate protection of endangered species? No? Then the Endangered Species Act doesn't apply. Turn on the water and send the State Police, the National Guard and a few deputized conservatives to meet the Feds at the border.
Time to take our Constitution back.
[To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the CONSENT of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;]
In other words, the States have to agree to cede territory to the Federal Government for the seat of power, and sell them the real estate which Congress has the power to legislate. Absent consent, the Federal Government has no legislative power whatsoever on land within a State, apart from what is enumerated in the Constitution. This little paragraph is the ultimate check on the powers of the Federal Government, upholding the sovereignty of the States. It stops the usurpation of State land by the feds for what they consider "Necessary and Proper" execution of federal power as granted by the Constitution.
Thomas Jefferson further drove home the point: "To the State governments are reserved all legislation and administration in affairs which concern their own citizens only; and to the federal government is given whatever concerns foreigners or citizens of other States, these functions alone being made federal."
Did California sell the Central Valley to Washington? Does the Central Valley affect citizens of other States? Does the Constitution grant Congress the power to regulate protection of endangered species? No? Then the Endangered Species Act doesn't apply. Turn on the water and send the State Police, the National Guard and a few deputized conservatives to meet the Feds at the border.
Time to take our Constitution back.
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Oct 15, 03:27 AM |
Is this what they call promoting the general welfare? Meaning we'll all be on welfare soon? I don;t get it don't the Pelosian morons know that when all of our standards of living go down, theirs go down, too?
Our only hope is
TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS!!!
And, yes, I am shouting.
Our only hope is
TERM LIMITS FOR ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS!!!
And, yes, I am shouting.
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Oct 15, 04:48 AM |
Gd save us from Obama's destructive "environmentalism." Here's another example. Because he has declared war on ew-dirty COAL, power plants are now burning WOOD to make electricity. While you take your own bags to the grocery store to save trees.
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Oct 15, 05:05 AM |
Do Americans not realize the depth of corruption of Nancy Pelosi, as well as her extreme commitment to communism? This article points out how she circumvented the law to benefit her holdings in the Presidio. I heard reports earlier that she also circumvented the law to benefit her family's fish cannery assets in American Samoa. When a corrupt person presides over the writing of laws, they can enrich themselves, as Pelosi has proven.
Even worse, as a devout communist, Pelosi is determined to starve our most productive farmland in California of water, thereby damaging our food supply, as detailed in this article. Its all part of the master plan to cut America down to size.
Nancy Pelosi is an evil, self-enriching Bolshevik whose aim is to enrich herself while acting as the Communist Obama's "right-hand woman". Adding this to the fact that she and Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) attempted to disrupt our military supply lines during "the surge" in Iraq, working through the labor unions in Turkey, Nancy Pelosi should not only be removed from Congress, she should be lined up against a wall and shot for treason! But then...when her communist co-conspirator is in the White House, doing his best to harm America, justice is unlikely to happen until real Americans rise up and demand it, or take matters into their own hands.
Even worse, as a devout communist, Pelosi is determined to starve our most productive farmland in California of water, thereby damaging our food supply, as detailed in this article. Its all part of the master plan to cut America down to size.
Nancy Pelosi is an evil, self-enriching Bolshevik whose aim is to enrich herself while acting as the Communist Obama's "right-hand woman". Adding this to the fact that she and Congresswoman Louise Slaughter (D-NY) attempted to disrupt our military supply lines during "the surge" in Iraq, working through the labor unions in Turkey, Nancy Pelosi should not only be removed from Congress, she should be lined up against a wall and shot for treason! But then...when her communist co-conspirator is in the White House, doing his best to harm America, justice is unlikely to happen until real Americans rise up and demand it, or take matters into their own hands.
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Oct 15, 05:29 AM |
Time to spread the word throughout the land: Plant your Obama Garden now just like your parents and grandparents planted victory gardens. Tear up that sewer drain and divert it to the garden. Live in an apartment? Townhome? New York? Just plow up the city parks and what lawns you have. Organize a community "food to the starving" gardening group.
But it will solve the obesity problem yet we'll still have those pot bellies we see on the Somali children so you'll be able to keep the belly that you like. And we won't even need Medicare since no one will survive past 63 or, at the outside, 64. Saves on all that end-of-life cyanide tablets and saves the cost of the death panels. Plus, just think! No need to hire illegals since they'll all have starved before even living long enough to get across the border. Foreign aid will be all but reduced to sending printed US dollars so Obama's Kenyan family can either wall paper their packing crate homes or use it to heat their food.
Change. Believe it!
But it will solve the obesity problem yet we'll still have those pot bellies we see on the Somali children so you'll be able to keep the belly that you like. And we won't even need Medicare since no one will survive past 63 or, at the outside, 64. Saves on all that end-of-life cyanide tablets and saves the cost of the death panels. Plus, just think! No need to hire illegals since they'll all have starved before even living long enough to get across the border. Foreign aid will be all but reduced to sending printed US dollars so Obama's Kenyan family can either wall paper their packing crate homes or use it to heat their food.
Change. Believe it!
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Oct 15, 05:40 AM |
The Radicals = "progressives" hate and I do mean HATE the production agriculture sector as it has existed and fed this country and the world.
WE = the farmers, are TOO FREE, TOO CONSERVATIVE, TOO WHITE, TOO "RICH," TOO CHRISTIAN, have too much private property and don't vote (mostly) for our betters = the elite "progressives."
Great article. Come on 2010 !
WE = the farmers, are TOO FREE, TOO CONSERVATIVE, TOO WHITE, TOO "RICH," TOO CHRISTIAN, have too much private property and don't vote (mostly) for our betters = the elite "progressives."
Great article. Come on 2010 !
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Oct 15, 07:42 AM |
Yet,
LA is green with all the water they get! The infrastucture of CA can only support 18million people; we have 30million. There have been talks of desalinization plants, but environmental wackos thing we'll "oversalinate " the ocean!
I used to be a proponent to the ESA, but I can see that this is wrong and we should be sending water for these guys to survive.
Every year here they always state we have a drought; why, so they can raise the price of water.
California has so destroyed its ecosystem in the delta so why does it matter? Our salmon stocks are down to nothing, one idiotic congressman here wanted to destroy the striped bass fishery, because he blamed them on destroying salmon stocks. Heck, they used to be a commercial fish till they mesed up their breeding grounds.
Somewhere their has to be a balance, but all those greedy folks, environmentalists, and like minded folks don't have that in their agendas. They want to rule, control and destroy not ony ecosystems, but our country. I say we just go over to the pumping station and turn them back on.
LA is green with all the water they get! The infrastucture of CA can only support 18million people; we have 30million. There have been talks of desalinization plants, but environmental wackos thing we'll "oversalinate " the ocean!
I used to be a proponent to the ESA, but I can see that this is wrong and we should be sending water for these guys to survive.
Every year here they always state we have a drought; why, so they can raise the price of water.
California has so destroyed its ecosystem in the delta so why does it matter? Our salmon stocks are down to nothing, one idiotic congressman here wanted to destroy the striped bass fishery, because he blamed them on destroying salmon stocks. Heck, they used to be a commercial fish till they mesed up their breeding grounds.
Somewhere their has to be a balance, but all those greedy folks, environmentalists, and like minded folks don't have that in their agendas. They want to rule, control and destroy not ony ecosystems, but our country. I say we just go over to the pumping station and turn them back on.
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Oct 15, 07:54 AM |
I think we had something similar in New Mexico recently. The San Juan and Rio Grande watersheds start on opposite sides of Wolf Creek Pass and both are bulk of the water in New Mexico. The environmentalists had leveraged control of the water to protect some little fish they had gotten on the endangered lists. Keep the fish wet! These are long established species that must have survived numerous runs of climate change and water levels over thousands of years but by God we were going to protect and preserve them. Well, there was this drought a few years ago. You think droughts are bad? There is nothing more awesome than a drought in the desert Southwest and fortunately this one was really bad for only one year. The rivers were trickles except where the reservoirs were dumped to keep the precious fish wet.
I can't follow the local politics well and I'm not sure who saw where this was going down but the water policy was changed. It could have been the Navajo Tribe that decided they control the water in the San Juan and need it for their irrigation project. It might have been the city of Albuquerque that made it clear that a major metro area was not going without water so a little minnow would thrive. I'm sure there were some interesting conversations in the halls of power. Anyway, I recall the environmentalists quietly withdrew their protective efforts for the fish. Water management has been a lot better since then and this year was another dry one though not like the worst. It just hasn't rained much at my place in 6 months.
Another amusing observation about environmentalists comes from NE Arizona near where they had the monster fire. Was that the same year we had the drought? Anyway, I was headed down to Phoenix and there was a huge billboard that pointed out the fire could be blamed on "environMENTALists!" I wish I had gotten a picture of that one.
I can't follow the local politics well and I'm not sure who saw where this was going down but the water policy was changed. It could have been the Navajo Tribe that decided they control the water in the San Juan and need it for their irrigation project. It might have been the city of Albuquerque that made it clear that a major metro area was not going without water so a little minnow would thrive. I'm sure there were some interesting conversations in the halls of power. Anyway, I recall the environmentalists quietly withdrew their protective efforts for the fish. Water management has been a lot better since then and this year was another dry one though not like the worst. It just hasn't rained much at my place in 6 months.
Another amusing observation about environmentalists comes from NE Arizona near where they had the monster fire. Was that the same year we had the drought? Anyway, I was headed down to Phoenix and there was a huge billboard that pointed out the fire could be blamed on "environMENTALists!" I wish I had gotten a picture of that one.
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Oct 15, 07:58 AM |
When I lived in C SoCal in the mid eighties, there was an incredible building boom. Whole towns were carved out of what was little more than desert. At the time, there were voices of protest screaming about the inability to sustain these communities because of the lack of fresh water. Builders seemed to have a mighty hold on the elected officials so they pretty much did what they wanted.
Flash forward 25 years. Ca. has water problems? Really? Does anyone remember the plan to build a pipeline from the great lakes to Ca.? Had it not been for the objection of the Canadians and the treaties in place, I am sure that would have happened. It would have been devistating to the midwest. I guess that's just the ecology of flyover country, they don't count.
The whole ecological component of this is a farce. The resevoirs may be full, for now, but in order to keep it that way they will continue to go after the biggest users with the least amount of political contributions and votes. That would be the farmers. Unfortunatly, these people are so short sighted, they can't see or don't care about the impact on the rest of the country's food supply.
Once again, the rest of the country will pay a heavy price for Kalifornias stupidity.
Flash forward 25 years. Ca. has water problems? Really? Does anyone remember the plan to build a pipeline from the great lakes to Ca.? Had it not been for the objection of the Canadians and the treaties in place, I am sure that would have happened. It would have been devistating to the midwest. I guess that's just the ecology of flyover country, they don't count.
The whole ecological component of this is a farce. The resevoirs may be full, for now, but in order to keep it that way they will continue to go after the biggest users with the least amount of political contributions and votes. That would be the farmers. Unfortunatly, these people are so short sighted, they can't see or don't care about the impact on the rest of the country's food supply.
Once again, the rest of the country will pay a heavy price for Kalifornias stupidity.
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Oct 15, 07:58 AM |
This story really needs to go viral all over the country. I have been watching this now for months. Our good citizens need to know what is going on and what and who is behind it. We need to start shouting at the top of our lungs for them to turn the damn water back on.
Again, another power grab by our wonderful democrates. If this does not prove that they could give one crap about the American people, I don't know what does.
Pelosi by my estimates, should and needs to be brought up on treason. It's really that simple. She is a traitor to this country. I don't know how much more evidence needs to be put in the spot light on this evil women. Everything she does is only in her best interest. She could care less what actually happens to anyone else. There is so much evidence of the deals and corruption that she has participated in, that it makes ones head spin. Why are the Republicans or any congressman for that matter letting her get away with the evil she so easily does.
Everyone is this country should be outraged at this situation in the Central Valley. I geuss if it doesn't happen in our own back yard, nobody cares. Unfortunately, this situation in the Central Valley will effect all of us at some point.
We should not have in this country, hard working people, that have worked all there lives to produce for the American people something that keeps them alive (FOOD) standing in a food line to survive. If every there was an oxymoron. I'm completely outraged by this situation that our goverment has put this town in. What they reduced these people to.
TURN THE WATER BACK ON !!!!!!!
Again, another power grab by our wonderful democrates. If this does not prove that they could give one crap about the American people, I don't know what does.
Pelosi by my estimates, should and needs to be brought up on treason. It's really that simple. She is a traitor to this country. I don't know how much more evidence needs to be put in the spot light on this evil women. Everything she does is only in her best interest. She could care less what actually happens to anyone else. There is so much evidence of the deals and corruption that she has participated in, that it makes ones head spin. Why are the Republicans or any congressman for that matter letting her get away with the evil she so easily does.
Everyone is this country should be outraged at this situation in the Central Valley. I geuss if it doesn't happen in our own back yard, nobody cares. Unfortunately, this situation in the Central Valley will effect all of us at some point.
We should not have in this country, hard working people, that have worked all there lives to produce for the American people something that keeps them alive (FOOD) standing in a food line to survive. If every there was an oxymoron. I'm completely outraged by this situation that our goverment has put this town in. What they reduced these people to.
TURN THE WATER BACK ON !!!!!!!
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Oct 15, 08:02 AM |
(1) Does anyone know if the NRDC collected attorneys' fees for its law suit? The ESA allows for this, but I do not know if it happened in this case.
(2) The NRDC Trustees are listed here: [www.nrdc.org] (click on About).
They seem to be mostly wealthy New Yorkers. Perhaps the injured Californians should start writing and calling them to ask politely if they are aware of the damage they are doing. And to ask if this is a money making activity for NRDC.
(2) The NRDC Trustees are listed here: [www.nrdc.org] (click on About).
They seem to be mostly wealthy New Yorkers. Perhaps the injured Californians should start writing and calling them to ask politely if they are aware of the damage they are doing. And to ask if this is a money making activity for NRDC.
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Oct 15, 08:09 AM |
I feel for the farmers as I'm sure their ranks are in the minority in California. But I also fear too many, perhaps not the farm owners but the workers, will continue to vote for leftists/democrats.
I'm mean look at Detroit and just about every other major city in the nation. Crumbling and rife with crime and corruption, yet they are mostly, if not all, run but democrats and the democrat machine. Hell they get elected year after year running in the same promises and inducements of fear about what the evil Republicans or conservatives will do should they get into power.
Once the election is over they continue their rape and pillage and throw a few scraps to their co-conspirator rabblerousers to keep the folks calm and then repeat the process every 2,4 or 6 years at election time.
Look at California as a whole. It's a failed State. Broke beyond and reasonable means of recovery yet they still keep imposing more taxes, regulations and business killing policies. They refuse to crack down on the problem of illegal immigration and they are now starving farmers of their own State which will ripple out to all of us in food costs and shortages.
Yet, yet Barbara Boxer, who arguably is high up there on the idiot list (strong competition keeps her from being named outright dumbest person in the Senate) Diane (line my pockets) Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman et.al are all on their way to reelection. And just for good measure it looks like they're going to bring back Governor Moonbeam for an encore.
Sorry farmers but you don't stand much of a chance there.
I'm mean look at Detroit and just about every other major city in the nation. Crumbling and rife with crime and corruption, yet they are mostly, if not all, run but democrats and the democrat machine. Hell they get elected year after year running in the same promises and inducements of fear about what the evil Republicans or conservatives will do should they get into power.
Once the election is over they continue their rape and pillage and throw a few scraps to their co-conspirator rabblerousers to keep the folks calm and then repeat the process every 2,4 or 6 years at election time.
Look at California as a whole. It's a failed State. Broke beyond and reasonable means of recovery yet they still keep imposing more taxes, regulations and business killing policies. They refuse to crack down on the problem of illegal immigration and they are now starving farmers of their own State which will ripple out to all of us in food costs and shortages.
Yet, yet Barbara Boxer, who arguably is high up there on the idiot list (strong competition keeps her from being named outright dumbest person in the Senate) Diane (line my pockets) Feinstien, Nancy Pelosi, Henry Waxman et.al are all on their way to reelection. And just for good measure it looks like they're going to bring back Governor Moonbeam for an encore.
Sorry farmers but you don't stand much of a chance there.
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Oct 15, 08:24 AM |
What about the Klamath River? This was done to them ten years ago, and now they've lost their final battle under a "conn-census" agreement that the irrigators don't agree with, only the multitude of other "stakeholders" (outside interests) who sit at the table like it. The conn-census agreement says the dams will be removed. As their dams are removed, tribes and other areas around the nation are looking at harnessing rivers for their "renewable" energy source, hydropower. This is the same as the Klamath, but it's "bad" in Klamath and "good" for the tribes.
The Klamath irrigators are a unique group in America. They hold the actual "deeds" not just water "rights". This is because the federal gov wanted the area developed after WWII and held a lottery amongst returning war servicemen and gave the winners the actual deeds to property and the water. So, they own their water, not just the rights to use it.
About 10 years ago, the feds show up at the Klamath headwaters, fence them in, and post armed guards as they steal the deeded water from the irrigators and take full control. The Klamath people and others held the "Bucket Brigade" which you may remember.
Now that the feds have perfected their water stealing plan in the Klamath, all water users in the US are threatened with the same tactics. These "regional" irrigators need to come together in ONE HUGE GROUP, not battling it alone in their little areas.
I urge the irrigators in Central Valley to get in touch with the Klamath folks.
The Klamath irrigators are a unique group in America. They hold the actual "deeds" not just water "rights". This is because the federal gov wanted the area developed after WWII and held a lottery amongst returning war servicemen and gave the winners the actual deeds to property and the water. So, they own their water, not just the rights to use it.
About 10 years ago, the feds show up at the Klamath headwaters, fence them in, and post armed guards as they steal the deeded water from the irrigators and take full control. The Klamath people and others held the "Bucket Brigade" which you may remember.
Now that the feds have perfected their water stealing plan in the Klamath, all water users in the US are threatened with the same tactics. These "regional" irrigators need to come together in ONE HUGE GROUP, not battling it alone in their little areas.
I urge the irrigators in Central Valley to get in touch with the Klamath folks.
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Oct 15, 08:28 AM |
Thank God someone is finally listening. Having lived there for 18 years and my family and friends doing the hard work of agriculture it has been difficult to watch the destruction of our food supply at the hands of Pelosi, ect. Agriculture has had to move out of state to be able to grow our seed and food. Seeing farmers and ranchers having to watch their trees die and even if someday replanted they will take a long time to produce. Pelosi always has a hand under the table for her own power and wealth while our fields are turning into dust bowls.
The day is soon approaching that we will be dependent on foreign sources for all of our seed production and food supply. Wake up America before it is too late. It is already happening at an alarming rate. Intentional regulations, taxes and the EPA are all part of her plan.
We, the people who toil to feed the world have been screaming to deaf ears with no support for too long.
The day is soon approaching that we will be dependent on foreign sources for all of our seed production and food supply. Wake up America before it is too late. It is already happening at an alarming rate. Intentional regulations, taxes and the EPA are all part of her plan.
We, the people who toil to feed the world have been screaming to deaf ears with no support for too long.
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Oct 15, 08:54 AM |
The game plan is to prevent American citizens from private property, that the government will then steal. Prevent us from water and food, that the government will then totally control. While the environmentalist suck money from earth friendly robots ,who think someone is really trying to save the earth, and stealing by fraud more of the nations wealth.
When we are thirsty, hungry, unemployed and homeless we will then be slaves to a new world order.
When I was very young, an uncle who had lived under socialism, fascism, communism...it's all the same, just different stages, but it's all communism...said very sincerely to me........Death would have been a relief.
I can only read the wonderful, insightful blogs on American Thinker in little bits. It is so overwhelming. But whoever you are, you wonderful blog people, thank you for your part. Education of the masses is vital.
Conspiracy? Just because a person in paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not being followed. Stolen line from someone somewhere, but it sticks in my mind. Wake up, Wake up, America please stop this, join others in taking control of the government back. Vote all of them out....all of them.
When we are thirsty, hungry, unemployed and homeless we will then be slaves to a new world order.
When I was very young, an uncle who had lived under socialism, fascism, communism...it's all the same, just different stages, but it's all communism...said very sincerely to me........Death would have been a relief.
I can only read the wonderful, insightful blogs on American Thinker in little bits. It is so overwhelming. But whoever you are, you wonderful blog people, thank you for your part. Education of the masses is vital.
Conspiracy? Just because a person in paranoid, it doesn't mean they are not being followed. Stolen line from someone somewhere, but it sticks in my mind. Wake up, Wake up, America please stop this, join others in taking control of the government back. Vote all of them out....all of them.
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Oct 15, 09:00 AM |
sjg Wrote:
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> Yet,
> LA is green with all the water they get! The
> infrastucture of CA can only support 18million
> people; we have 30million. There have been talks
> of desalinization plants, but environmental wackos
> thing we'll "oversalinate " the ocean!
>
> I used to be a proponent to the ESA, but I can see
> that this is wrong and we should be sending water
> for these guys to survive.
> Every year here they always state we have a
> drought; why, so they can raise the price of
> water.
>
> California has so destroyed its ecosystem in the
> delta so why does it matter? Our salmon stocks are
> down to nothing, one idiotic congressman here
> wanted to destroy the striped bass fishery,
> because he blamed them on destroying salmon
> stocks. Heck, they used to be a commercial fish
> till they mesed up their breeding grounds.
>
> Somewhere their has to be a balance, but all those
> greedy folks, environmentalists, and like minded
> folks don't have that in their agendas. They want
> to rule, control and destroy not ony ecosystems,
> but our country. I say we just go over to the
> pumping station and turn them back on.
If I had a hammer......If someone did just turn it back on, those opposed to this government would be blamed, regardless of who took this action. A crisis...didn't Hitler burn down the radio towers, blame it on the other side and used that excuse to openly, overnight take every freedom the Germans had away, in under 6 hours I think. History channel perhaps. Call to violence, NO, call to get involved and overwhelm the system in a backwards way...I'm in. America...... please...WAKE UP and push back.
-------------------------------------------------------
> Yet,
> LA is green with all the water they get! The
> infrastucture of CA can only support 18million
> people; we have 30million. There have been talks
> of desalinization plants, but environmental wackos
> thing we'll "oversalinate " the ocean!
>
> I used to be a proponent to the ESA, but I can see
> that this is wrong and we should be sending water
> for these guys to survive.
> Every year here they always state we have a
> drought; why, so they can raise the price of
> water.
>
> California has so destroyed its ecosystem in the
> delta so why does it matter? Our salmon stocks are
> down to nothing, one idiotic congressman here
> wanted to destroy the striped bass fishery,
> because he blamed them on destroying salmon
> stocks. Heck, they used to be a commercial fish
> till they mesed up their breeding grounds.
>
> Somewhere their has to be a balance, but all those
> greedy folks, environmentalists, and like minded
> folks don't have that in their agendas. They want
> to rule, control and destroy not ony ecosystems,
> but our country. I say we just go over to the
> pumping station and turn them back on.
If I had a hammer......If someone did just turn it back on, those opposed to this government would be blamed, regardless of who took this action. A crisis...didn't Hitler burn down the radio towers, blame it on the other side and used that excuse to openly, overnight take every freedom the Germans had away, in under 6 hours I think. History channel perhaps. Call to violence, NO, call to get involved and overwhelm the system in a backwards way...I'm in. America...... please...WAKE UP and push back.
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Oct 15, 09:39 AM |
Boy the AT is really late running anything about this story, This has been know for along time now and am surprised the AT is now just running a story on this problem !!! There saving water for a fish that is less than a 1" long to stave off 1,000's of workers and force then to stand in lne for hours on end just to survive. Pelosi and her gang of idiots should be ashamed of themselves for even being apart of this injurious plan against her own people of her own state, as well as Barbara Boxer, Diane Feinstien and should be, but there not lifting a finger either and this should be enough for the people of Kalifornia to stand up and rise against these idiots who play along with these thieves and unscientific polices where they are not forced to show there "private studies" to show just how a Delta Fish is and should be put on such a list !!!!
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Oct 15, 09:41 AM |
You have written a very compelling article against the "greenies," all of which I agree.
But you failed, in all your painstaking research, to understand the most important point. It's not only the flatulent environmental cause against which we should brandish our swords. More egregiously, it is the California Utility companies in league with their political hacks that are those who are behind this mess, they being truly responsible for this fish-hoax, all with Pelosi's careful and nefarious backroom orchestrations.
You see, we all need to see that the Liberals unfailingly never expose their true reasons. They throw out a red herring, hoping that conservative "cats" will immediately begin to fight over it, giving them the cover of darkness and misdirection for which they have planned.
And we conservatives generally fall into line to do just.... embarrassingly and stupidly giving Liberals the cover they desire, I might add. And by your work and those of other conservatives, we aid and abett their scheme. We take it each time; hook, line and sinker.....
But, here's the real "scoop" that may finally come to conservative light after it's all done and spoken for:
After being unsuccessful in legetiamately buying the farm land over the past 5 years, Utility companies have quietly conspired with pompous environmental causes to literally starve out the owners, cutting off their water supplies so as to bankrupt the owners' farms, all the while distracting from the real story of the complicities of Pelosi and her dark troups.
Indeed, what you have failed to recognize and report is that the Utility companies want this exceptional flat peice of real estate which offers almost cloudless sunshine in order to construct a "farm" of a different sort, namely, acres upon acres of shiny new solar panel arrays.... to produce electricity. More money in that than in food. So much for the right of domain.
What they can't get by one strategy, they'll get by another if necessary..., even by hook or by crook.... ... (350 word limit)
But you failed, in all your painstaking research, to understand the most important point. It's not only the flatulent environmental cause against which we should brandish our swords. More egregiously, it is the California Utility companies in league with their political hacks that are those who are behind this mess, they being truly responsible for this fish-hoax, all with Pelosi's careful and nefarious backroom orchestrations.
You see, we all need to see that the Liberals unfailingly never expose their true reasons. They throw out a red herring, hoping that conservative "cats" will immediately begin to fight over it, giving them the cover of darkness and misdirection for which they have planned.
And we conservatives generally fall into line to do just.... embarrassingly and stupidly giving Liberals the cover they desire, I might add. And by your work and those of other conservatives, we aid and abett their scheme. We take it each time; hook, line and sinker.....
But, here's the real "scoop" that may finally come to conservative light after it's all done and spoken for:
After being unsuccessful in legetiamately buying the farm land over the past 5 years, Utility companies have quietly conspired with pompous environmental causes to literally starve out the owners, cutting off their water supplies so as to bankrupt the owners' farms, all the while distracting from the real story of the complicities of Pelosi and her dark troups.
Indeed, what you have failed to recognize and report is that the Utility companies want this exceptional flat peice of real estate which offers almost cloudless sunshine in order to construct a "farm" of a different sort, namely, acres upon acres of shiny new solar panel arrays.... to produce electricity. More money in that than in food. So much for the right of domain.
What they can't get by one strategy, they'll get by another if necessary..., even by hook or by crook.... ... (350 word limit)
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Oct 15, 09:54 AM |
"California, the nation's largest producer of fruits, nuts, vegetables, livestock and dairy products, ranks fifth in the world as a supplier of food and agricultural commodities...."
And within the last 2 days we have breathless reports from the UN that a billion people are starving. Too bad they can't eat Delta Smelts.
And within the last 2 days we have breathless reports from the UN that a billion people are starving. Too bad they can't eat Delta Smelts.
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Oct 15, 09:55 AM |
Leslie Wrote:
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> Was the Delta Smelt fish really endengered by
> previous water policies or is the Delta Smelt been
> used as an excuse to divert water for political
> purposes and power?
> Why havn't the People Of California voted these
> legislators out of office?
Because it is the feds who are causing the problem. ES is a fed'l. bureau. I agree with the previous writer that the constitution should be invoked. Pretty soon you won't be able to grow your own garden free of federal interference. GB has some of this & I remember seeing a report about the "food safety" scare going to include vitamins etc. These are very wacky & scary tactics to control our food sources.
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> Was the Delta Smelt fish really endengered by
> previous water policies or is the Delta Smelt been
> used as an excuse to divert water for political
> purposes and power?
> Why havn't the People Of California voted these
> legislators out of office?
Because it is the feds who are causing the problem. ES is a fed'l. bureau. I agree with the previous writer that the constitution should be invoked. Pretty soon you won't be able to grow your own garden free of federal interference. GB has some of this & I remember seeing a report about the "food safety" scare going to include vitamins etc. These are very wacky & scary tactics to control our food sources.
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Oct 15, 09:58 AM |
Jim Yardley Wrote:
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> " ... environmentalists insist that a hatchery
> would not produce "natural" fish because of an
> altered habitat. "
>
> OK, does that mean that maternity wards don't
> produce "natural" humans?
Maybe... I have a niece out in SF who has given birth at home to her kids... scary I think. Thankfully nothing went wrong. Although that is how it was done for centuries. Really good analogy though!
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> " ... environmentalists insist that a hatchery
> would not produce "natural" fish because of an
> altered habitat. "
>
> OK, does that mean that maternity wards don't
> produce "natural" humans?
Maybe... I have a niece out in SF who has given birth at home to her kids... scary I think. Thankfully nothing went wrong. Although that is how it was done for centuries. Really good analogy though!
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Oct 15, 10:11 AM |
JVDeLong Wrote:
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> (1) Does anyone know if the NRDC collected
> attorneys' fees for its law suit? The ESA allows
> for this, but I do not know if it happened in this
> case.
> (2) The NRDC Trustees are listed here:
> [www.nrdc.org] (click on
> About).
> They seem to be mostly wealthy New Yorkers.
> Perhaps the injured Californians should start
> writing and calling them to ask politely if they
> are aware of the damage they are doing. And to ask
> if this is a money making activity for NRDC.
A problem there is that many of board members are listed as "conservationists, environmentalists, or lawyers" but there are also people who could be boycotted...James Taylor(music), Leonardo Di Caprio & Robert Redford (actors) GAP & Warner Bros Pres & COO... those are just the ones I recognized. Thanks.
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> (1) Does anyone know if the NRDC collected
> attorneys' fees for its law suit? The ESA allows
> for this, but I do not know if it happened in this
> case.
> (2) The NRDC Trustees are listed here:
> [www.nrdc.org] (click on
> About).
> They seem to be mostly wealthy New Yorkers.
> Perhaps the injured Californians should start
> writing and calling them to ask politely if they
> are aware of the damage they are doing. And to ask
> if this is a money making activity for NRDC.
A problem there is that many of board members are listed as "conservationists, environmentalists, or lawyers" but there are also people who could be boycotted...James Taylor(music), Leonardo Di Caprio & Robert Redford (actors) GAP & Warner Bros Pres & COO... those are just the ones I recognized. Thanks.
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Oct 15, 10:18 AM |
Carol Watkins Wrote:
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> Thank God someone is finally listening. Having
> lived there for 18 years and my family and friends
> doing the hard work of agriculture it has been
> difficult to watch the destruction of our food
> supply at the hands of Pelosi, ect. Agriculture
> has had to move out of state to be able to grow
> our seed and food. Seeing farmers and ranchers
> having to watch their trees die and even if
> someday replanted they will take a long time to
> produce. Pelosi always has a hand under the
> table for her own power and wealth while our
> fields are turning into dust bowls.
>
> The day is soon approaching that we will be
> dependent on foreign sources for all of our seed
> production and food supply. Wake up America
> before it is too late. It is already happening
> at an alarming rate. Intentional regulations,
> taxes and the EPA are all part of her plan.
>
> We, the people who toil to feed the world have
> been screaming to deaf ears with no support for
> too long.
You folks need Hannity out there again & show up near her WINERY to get the point solidly across...see how she likes it...LOTS of photos. If the local PD won't allow it, show vivid photos of her home/grounds & overhead shots of her well-watered winery. Instead of "let them eat cake" she seems to be saying "Let them drink wine!" Hey, I like that, really I do... Queen Nancy.
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> Thank God someone is finally listening. Having
> lived there for 18 years and my family and friends
> doing the hard work of agriculture it has been
> difficult to watch the destruction of our food
> supply at the hands of Pelosi, ect. Agriculture
> has had to move out of state to be able to grow
> our seed and food. Seeing farmers and ranchers
> having to watch their trees die and even if
> someday replanted they will take a long time to
> produce. Pelosi always has a hand under the
> table for her own power and wealth while our
> fields are turning into dust bowls.
>
> The day is soon approaching that we will be
> dependent on foreign sources for all of our seed
> production and food supply. Wake up America
> before it is too late. It is already happening
> at an alarming rate. Intentional regulations,
> taxes and the EPA are all part of her plan.
>
> We, the people who toil to feed the world have
> been screaming to deaf ears with no support for
> too long.
You folks need Hannity out there again & show up near her WINERY to get the point solidly across...see how she likes it...LOTS of photos. If the local PD won't allow it, show vivid photos of her home/grounds & overhead shots of her well-watered winery. Instead of "let them eat cake" she seems to be saying "Let them drink wine!" Hey, I like that, really I do... Queen Nancy.
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Oct 15, 11:26 AM |
I've often said that the ESA is THE SINGLE WORST (ie, most dangerous and damaging) piece of legislation ever passed in this nation (although it will soon be surpassed by both ObamaCare and "Cap & Trade).
This is because it is absolute and unlimited. It was the intent of Congress to not allow ANY other consideration to take precedence over the protection of an endangerd species. From the beginning it was Congress' assumption that regarding any (non-human) species "the value ... is, quite literally, incalculable." and that we should use "all methods or procedures which are necessary" to conserve species. In other words, it was Congress' plan in proposing the ESA for the "protection" of any endangered species to be so important that it is literally worth ANYTHING. Under this law, both as written and as interpreted by the courts, the protection of any single species is more important than ANY amount of money. Think about that. If it is a choice between a single species and the ENTIRE ECONOMIC WEALTH OF THE UNITED STATES .... everything, .... the whole GNP and every single economic asset or thing of value, ...... guess who wins? It trumps EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. And, of course, almost as an afterthought, it also allows the taking of any or all private property without recompense.
The courts have repeatedly enforced this Ultimate Priority, using the lame excuse of "Separation of Powers" which they are otherwise more than happy to discard whenever they choose to. Of course, at the very same time that they have invoked "Separation of Powers" to allow the ESA to trump EVERYTHING and washing their hands of the consequences, the courts have ignored the simple fact that Congress has no Constitutional Authority to do what the ESA does.
This is simply the inevitable result of the law that was passed. For those who hate this nation, abhor capitalism, and loathe all human development --- using the ESA, ANYTHING is possible.
This is because it is absolute and unlimited. It was the intent of Congress to not allow ANY other consideration to take precedence over the protection of an endangerd species. From the beginning it was Congress' assumption that regarding any (non-human) species "the value ... is, quite literally, incalculable." and that we should use "all methods or procedures which are necessary" to conserve species. In other words, it was Congress' plan in proposing the ESA for the "protection" of any endangered species to be so important that it is literally worth ANYTHING. Under this law, both as written and as interpreted by the courts, the protection of any single species is more important than ANY amount of money. Think about that. If it is a choice between a single species and the ENTIRE ECONOMIC WEALTH OF THE UNITED STATES .... everything, .... the whole GNP and every single economic asset or thing of value, ...... guess who wins? It trumps EVERYTHING and ANYTHING. And, of course, almost as an afterthought, it also allows the taking of any or all private property without recompense.
The courts have repeatedly enforced this Ultimate Priority, using the lame excuse of "Separation of Powers" which they are otherwise more than happy to discard whenever they choose to. Of course, at the very same time that they have invoked "Separation of Powers" to allow the ESA to trump EVERYTHING and washing their hands of the consequences, the courts have ignored the simple fact that Congress has no Constitutional Authority to do what the ESA does.
This is simply the inevitable result of the law that was passed. For those who hate this nation, abhor capitalism, and loathe all human development --- using the ESA, ANYTHING is possible.
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Oct 15, 11:55 AM |
Where are all them nice rich white boys who just did another FARM AID concert? You know these guys - Willie Nelson, John Mellenkamp, Springsteen. Can someone tell me who they support in this fight? If they support, these bureaucrats, I think that the concert should be boycotted . I would like to know what is done with the proceeds made from this concert.
Also, next time you have to discuss this issue with these fools, please ask them - if we accept your argument, how the heck did we survive after the extinction of the dinosaur? THE WORLD SURVIVED and actually prospered !! - Imagine that - how can that be? People need to fight back when such ridiculous blabber keeps being thrown at us. So a smelt becomes extinct - SO WHAT! I believe that there have been many animals who have become extinct and we are still here, just fine.
Hey - imagine if dumb liberals should become extinct - we would have alot of prosperity then - oh, well, just a thought!
Also, next time you have to discuss this issue with these fools, please ask them - if we accept your argument, how the heck did we survive after the extinction of the dinosaur? THE WORLD SURVIVED and actually prospered !! - Imagine that - how can that be? People need to fight back when such ridiculous blabber keeps being thrown at us. So a smelt becomes extinct - SO WHAT! I believe that there have been many animals who have become extinct and we are still here, just fine.
Hey - imagine if dumb liberals should become extinct - we would have alot of prosperity then - oh, well, just a thought!
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Oct 15, 11:58 AM |
We need to remember that we have Nixon to thank for the ESA (as well as the DEA and a few other mostly useless regulatory bodies). The lawsuit is the weapon of choice for environmentalists and the ESA has enabled them beyond their wildest dreams.
I am unsure of the motivation behind this. I must admit, Dr. Young's assertion that utility companies have a hand in it makes sense...to a point. Acres and acres of solar panels ain't gonna make anybody rich. The sun only shines in the daytime. PV panels require a lot of water and maintenance to keep them clean. Just a little dust (multiplied by several thousand panels) results in significant reduction of efficiency. I find it nearly impossible to believe that any utility could make more money from this land than the farmers. The thing is...the only way any utility company can make ANY money is to take this land from the farmers. Of course, then the utilities would have to contend with the same bunch of anti-capitalist eco-geeks.
This could be an experiment at controlling the nation's food supply but somehow I just don't think so. I actually believe the Democrats are running interference for the environmentalists. They owe the eco-Left a debt. They fear the reversal of any environmentalist legal action or initiative. What the eco-geeks have proven they can do is just too valuable for their long-term agenda to allow any of it be reversed even if it were politically popular. It's simply too dangerous a precedent.
I am unsure of the motivation behind this. I must admit, Dr. Young's assertion that utility companies have a hand in it makes sense...to a point. Acres and acres of solar panels ain't gonna make anybody rich. The sun only shines in the daytime. PV panels require a lot of water and maintenance to keep them clean. Just a little dust (multiplied by several thousand panels) results in significant reduction of efficiency. I find it nearly impossible to believe that any utility could make more money from this land than the farmers. The thing is...the only way any utility company can make ANY money is to take this land from the farmers. Of course, then the utilities would have to contend with the same bunch of anti-capitalist eco-geeks.
This could be an experiment at controlling the nation's food supply but somehow I just don't think so. I actually believe the Democrats are running interference for the environmentalists. They owe the eco-Left a debt. They fear the reversal of any environmentalist legal action or initiative. What the eco-geeks have proven they can do is just too valuable for their long-term agenda to allow any of it be reversed even if it were politically popular. It's simply too dangerous a precedent.
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Oct 15, 02:39 PM |
Wow, I have read some twisted stuff, but this takes the cake. Too bad you are limiting the food production of the rivers by growing cotton in a desert, and have you seen the number of golf courses down south? I sure wish salmon was as cheap as it used to be before they gave the water to the Klamath irrigators and caused the largest (recorded) fish kill in the west.
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Oct 15, 02:44 PM |
This journal should be called "The Twister" or "The Spinner", as it sure makes some strange conclusions. NRDC a radical organization? Sorry if people want to live in a world where things have a chance to live. I guess that is radical if all you think about is killing. FWS has authority to control water? Sorry, that is the U.S. Bureau of Reclamation. I could go on, but you are the thinkers, right?
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Oct 15, 06:22 PM |
I agree with GeorgeS.
All that needs to be done is the State of California needs to grow a pair and send in the state police to turn on the water. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this matter at all and the state needs to stand up to the federal government. The state in this case has the constitution on their side and any judgement would have take that into consideration.
The ESA is an illegal act under the provision of the the US Constitution. Just as the current attempt to take over health care is illegal. The people have allowed the Federal Government to slowly and methodically take away the States rights and authority to the point that we may never be able to right these wrongs.
However, that does not mean we should just stand by and let them continue to do so. We MUST stop them whenever possible and not allow them to simply steamroll their Stateist agenda through. If we do not put a stop to this soon we will all be serfs to the State.
All that needs to be done is the State of California needs to grow a pair and send in the state police to turn on the water. The federal government has no jurisdiction in this matter at all and the state needs to stand up to the federal government. The state in this case has the constitution on their side and any judgement would have take that into consideration.
The ESA is an illegal act under the provision of the the US Constitution. Just as the current attempt to take over health care is illegal. The people have allowed the Federal Government to slowly and methodically take away the States rights and authority to the point that we may never be able to right these wrongs.
However, that does not mean we should just stand by and let them continue to do so. We MUST stop them whenever possible and not allow them to simply steamroll their Stateist agenda through. If we do not put a stop to this soon we will all be serfs to the State.
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Oct 15, 06:51 PM |
I'm setting up an illegal rain catchment system. I hereby declare ownership of all water that falls on my property in the form of rain. Its only 110 gallons but it violates state water policy and so it pleases me. Kiss my posterior Nancy Pelosi!
I'm also going to fertilize my lawn with dead Delta Smelt. Gotta have that green lawn baby! Smelts like Victory!
Whats turning out to be helpful for me in the face of all this left wing lunacy is to accomplish actual small acts of defiance. I will oppose the liberals with small practical forms of resistance until I am able to contribute my vote to their collective defeat.
Seriously, cutting water to the most fertile valley in the world is a literal crime against humanity. California produce was always the largest, most attractive and flavorful that I have encountered across the country. There is something seriously wrong with our government if they allow this provincial policy to harm the general American population.
I'm also going to fertilize my lawn with dead Delta Smelt. Gotta have that green lawn baby! Smelts like Victory!
Whats turning out to be helpful for me in the face of all this left wing lunacy is to accomplish actual small acts of defiance. I will oppose the liberals with small practical forms of resistance until I am able to contribute my vote to their collective defeat.
Seriously, cutting water to the most fertile valley in the world is a literal crime against humanity. California produce was always the largest, most attractive and flavorful that I have encountered across the country. There is something seriously wrong with our government if they allow this provincial policy to harm the general American population.
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Oct 15, 07:09 PM |
It would seem that our enemies know all too well that the best army in the world can easily be defeated by hunger and thirst; without a shot fired.
The Allied Forces were victorious in WWII in no small part due to the food and materials of war which were furnished by our enthusiastic labor and plentiful resources. If the green Marxist foe within had been in power back then all would have been lost.
So where did our national security go? It has disappeared into the same leftist political environMENTALwhacko redgreen black hole that has eaten up all of those good paying resource based middle class jobs.
Take a look at klamathbasincrisis.org. You will be able to calculate your future by studying our unpleasant present and past. Like agriculture and constitutional rights in the Florida Everglades, we are just about done for. If we are not careful, pretty soon the USA will be a suburb of RussiaChina, aka the UN.
The Allied Forces were victorious in WWII in no small part due to the food and materials of war which were furnished by our enthusiastic labor and plentiful resources. If the green Marxist foe within had been in power back then all would have been lost.
So where did our national security go? It has disappeared into the same leftist political environMENTALwhacko redgreen black hole that has eaten up all of those good paying resource based middle class jobs.
Take a look at klamathbasincrisis.org. You will be able to calculate your future by studying our unpleasant present and past. Like agriculture and constitutional rights in the Florida Everglades, we are just about done for. If we are not careful, pretty soon the USA will be a suburb of RussiaChina, aka the UN.
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Oct 15, 08:09 PM |
If anyone doubts the lunacy of the left, and especially Pelosi, this should convince them! I wish someone could give me one instance where liberal policies have ended in anything other than failure! Perhaps something? In their twisted world, a minnow is more important than human beings? How stupid have we become when someone like this clown of a woman can be the leader of congress? It's obvious she's just one of many..... and that's sad, and it's scary!
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Oct 15, 08:29 PM |
Unfortunately, Our America’s population includes a number of misfits that have gathered political and economic power well-beyond what would be reasonable-and-prudent in an intelligent society … ours is not. My simple explanation is that human nature’s dark side is the stronger, but it’s a lot more complicated than that (a subject of another post). In the meantime, we have too many lawyers serving the whims of those misfits. In addition, we have too many judges raised in a system designed by the Left to destroy our Heritage as a result of a scheme that started in the early 1930’s.
This is one very egregious example of the (perverse) few exercising fringe power over the wellbeing of the many.
I believe there’s an historical analogy in 18th century France when the many rebelled against the arrogance of the few. In those days, the cry was “off with their heads.” I see that chaos coming to our Nation and it’s not a good thing, but maybe a necessary catharsis.
This is one very egregious example of the (perverse) few exercising fringe power over the wellbeing of the many.
I believe there’s an historical analogy in 18th century France when the many rebelled against the arrogance of the few. In those days, the cry was “off with their heads.” I see that chaos coming to our Nation and it’s not a good thing, but maybe a necessary catharsis.
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Oct 15, 09:39 PM |
midwestmom Wrote:
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> The game plan is to prevent American citizens from
> private property, that the government will then
> steal. Prevent us from water and food, that the
> government will then totally control. While the
> environmentalist suck money from earth friendly
> robots ,who think someone is really trying to save
> the earth, and stealing by fraud more of the
> nations wealth.
>
> When we are thirsty, hungry, unemployed and
> homeless we will then be slaves to a new world
> order.
>
> When I was very young, an uncle who had lived
> under socialism, fascism, communism...it's all the
> same, just different stages, but it's all
> communism...said very sincerely to me........Death
> would have been a relief.
>
> I can only read the wonderful, insightful blogs on
> American Thinker in little bits. It is so
> overwhelming. But whoever you are, you wonderful
> blog people, thank you for your part. Education
> of the masses is vital.
>
> Conspiracy? Just because a person in paranoid, it
> doesn't mean they are not being followed. Stolen
> line from someone somewhere, but it sticks in my
> mind. Wake up, Wake up, America please stop this,
> join others in taking control of the government
> back. Vote all of them out....all of them.
I thought about many responses to many of the very good comments on this one, but I settled on yours. Everyone here should read, re-read, read a third time, and then commit to memory your first three paragraphs. Succinct, concise, and ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Re: Paranoia. I have heard it as "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not out to get you."
My own corollary is this: In today's America, if you're not paranoid and if you don't believe in conspiracies .... YOU'RE the one who's crazy.
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> The game plan is to prevent American citizens from
> private property, that the government will then
> steal. Prevent us from water and food, that the
> government will then totally control. While the
> environmentalist suck money from earth friendly
> robots ,who think someone is really trying to save
> the earth, and stealing by fraud more of the
> nations wealth.
>
> When we are thirsty, hungry, unemployed and
> homeless we will then be slaves to a new world
> order.
>
> When I was very young, an uncle who had lived
> under socialism, fascism, communism...it's all the
> same, just different stages, but it's all
> communism...said very sincerely to me........Death
> would have been a relief.
>
> I can only read the wonderful, insightful blogs on
> American Thinker in little bits. It is so
> overwhelming. But whoever you are, you wonderful
> blog people, thank you for your part. Education
> of the masses is vital.
>
> Conspiracy? Just because a person in paranoid, it
> doesn't mean they are not being followed. Stolen
> line from someone somewhere, but it sticks in my
> mind. Wake up, Wake up, America please stop this,
> join others in taking control of the government
> back. Vote all of them out....all of them.
I thought about many responses to many of the very good comments on this one, but I settled on yours. Everyone here should read, re-read, read a third time, and then commit to memory your first three paragraphs. Succinct, concise, and ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Re: Paranoia. I have heard it as "Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that they're not out to get you."
My own corollary is this: In today's America, if you're not paranoid and if you don't believe in conspiracies .... YOU'RE the one who's crazy.
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Oct 15, 10:57 PM |
Tea Party (the original) happened because British Parliment posted estimated 4% tax on tea import. Just four! Our own American "parliment" demanded the tax of livehoods of many thousand Americans, and we're sitting around cheering our favorite American Idol contestants. Yes, we are an enlightened generation, indeed!
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Oct 15, 11:23 PM |
What happened to state sovereignty? Why would CA allow the gov't or special interest groups to allow the water to be turned off after years of irrigation? Can't Swartzennegger(?) declare State sovereignty and get that water turned back on? We, the American citizens, must STAND UP and stop this crap that is going on around America!! I am so disgusted I can't see straight. This country is going to hell in a hand basket and it seems we can't doing any thing about it. Some one needs to help us to get to the right people, so we can get something done. CA is the breadbasket of the world and our gov't is ALLOWING the irrigation to be shut off so that WE THE PEOPLE will go without food!
Everyone seems to blame a certain group, but WE don't know how to fit them! We need to know how to fit. Not only on this issue, but with health care, cap and trade, amnesty, hate crimes, etc. My question is, how do we do this? We need a plan so we can follow through with it! I, personally, don't know how to do it. I certainly would!
I don't know or speak as well as most of you on here. At the same time, no one has given any direction or suggestions on what to do. That's what we need. Is there anyone on here that can answer this question?
I have written and called as many congressman as I can. Of course, there are no responses from any of them regarding any issues. If anyone has any other suggestions, I would appreciate hearing from you because I will do what I can.
I am very afraid for America! We are not the Nation we were a year ago. I feel like we are the laughing stock of the world since Obama has been in office. Unfortunately, I would have to agree with the world.
We need to get active. I just ... (350 word limit)
Everyone seems to blame a certain group, but WE don't know how to fit them! We need to know how to fit. Not only on this issue, but with health care, cap and trade, amnesty, hate crimes, etc. My question is, how do we do this? We need a plan so we can follow through with it! I, personally, don't know how to do it. I certainly would!
I don't know or speak as well as most of you on here. At the same time, no one has given any direction or suggestions on what to do. That's what we need. Is there anyone on here that can answer this question?
I have written and called as many congressman as I can. Of course, there are no responses from any of them regarding any issues. If anyone has any other suggestions, I would appreciate hearing from you because I will do what I can.
I am very afraid for America! We are not the Nation we were a year ago. I feel like we are the laughing stock of the world since Obama has been in office. Unfortunately, I would have to agree with the world.
We need to get active. I just ... (350 word limit)
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Oct 16, 01:21 PM |
"What happened to State Sovreignty?' We are definitely seeing that “control the water, control the food supply, control the populace” is a tried and true formula. All of you really, really, really need to fire up your search engines and key in the name of your state followed by “watershed council”. Heck, you can even narrow that down by adding the name of a local river or your home town or region.
What you could discover is that a new resource based governmental structure of draconianly empowered non- elected councils and stakeholder groups has already been established; no, not just in the USA, but the world over.
Then you could input the words “corporate personhood” or just cut to the chase and search out, “The End of Agribusiness: Dismantling the Mechanisms of Corporate Rule”. That may point you toward the possibility that all of the water wars and other extremists environmentalist meddling is really just about anti-capitalism vs. capitalism. No, the Cold War has never really warmed up all that much.
And oh yes, keep in mind the reality that the big sis of organic farming is blight and famine; an effective weapon indeedy.
If you want to pursue this thinkline you could also seek out things like, “transboundry watershed councils” or “watershed governance” or “environmental governance”. Or not.
Now if you are really brave you can also search these particular words out to find out who or what is in the middle of all of this greedy green chaos: Partners of UNEP/GRID – Sioux Falls.
What’s in your UN treaty? What is a Consensus Democracy? What is the Soviet Consensus or Dialectic Process? What is the Chadwick Consensus Process? If your irrigation water supply has been or may be cut off, these are some things that you really need to become familiar with…
What you could discover is that a new resource based governmental structure of draconianly empowered non- elected councils and stakeholder groups has already been established; no, not just in the USA, but the world over.
Then you could input the words “corporate personhood” or just cut to the chase and search out, “The End of Agribusiness: Dismantling the Mechanisms of Corporate Rule”. That may point you toward the possibility that all of the water wars and other extremists environmentalist meddling is really just about anti-capitalism vs. capitalism. No, the Cold War has never really warmed up all that much.
And oh yes, keep in mind the reality that the big sis of organic farming is blight and famine; an effective weapon indeedy.
If you want to pursue this thinkline you could also seek out things like, “transboundry watershed councils” or “watershed governance” or “environmental governance”. Or not.
Now if you are really brave you can also search these particular words out to find out who or what is in the middle of all of this greedy green chaos: Partners of UNEP/GRID – Sioux Falls.
What’s in your UN treaty? What is a Consensus Democracy? What is the Soviet Consensus or Dialectic Process? What is the Chadwick Consensus Process? If your irrigation water supply has been or may be cut off, these are some things that you really need to become familiar with…
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Oct 17, 06:41 PM |
Good posts, Uriel and Noezone. For further enlightenment to our AT readers, I am quoting in its entirety the research of Cassandra Anderson of Unfiltered News:, thus:
"Cassandra Anderson
Unfiltered News
2009 October 1
The Federal government, influenced by the United Nations, is stealing American land and resources as Agenda 21 Sustainable Development is implemented in all states. Sustainable Development seems appealing and desirable on the surface, but it is actually a plot to erase humans entirely from 50% of American land, with a ban on extraction of resources, like water!
Dr. Michael Coffman, the creator of the Agenda 21 map, covertly obtained secret United Nations documents he used to compile the map which illustrates the resource acquisition goals of the Globalists at the UN. While Sustainable Development appears to be benign, its accompanying Global Biodiversity Assessment report states that only one billion people can be sustained in an industrial society! [Please Google for this Agenda 21 “biological diversity” map.]
An example of this is playing out right now in California, regarding the man made drought. This situation affects every American, as California’s Central Valley supplies our country with 50% of its vegetable, fruits and nuts (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/, see the California Agricultural Statistical Review report). The federal Endangered Species Act, regarding the ‘threatened’ smelt minnow, is being used to severely restrict the water pump that delivers water from the Delta to the Central Valley farmlands, thus creating the drought condition. Both the federal Department of Interior and the federal Department of Commerce are claiming jurisdiction in order to control water resources.
California’s water usage is divided as follows:
48 % Environmental (federally regulated)
41 % Agricultural
11 % Urban
Interestingly, the sub-agencies of these two federal agencies that supplied the biological opinions are influenced by the United Nations. The UN was created in 1945, and the following year, the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) was created by the UN to act as a scientific advisor. The US Fish and Wildlife Service, a sub-agency of the Department of Interior, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Marine Fisheries Service, sub-agencies of the Department of Commerce, are ... (350 word limit)
"Cassandra Anderson
Unfiltered News
2009 October 1
The Federal government, influenced by the United Nations, is stealing American land and resources as Agenda 21 Sustainable Development is implemented in all states. Sustainable Development seems appealing and desirable on the surface, but it is actually a plot to erase humans entirely from 50% of American land, with a ban on extraction of resources, like water!
Dr. Michael Coffman, the creator of the Agenda 21 map, covertly obtained secret United Nations documents he used to compile the map which illustrates the resource acquisition goals of the Globalists at the UN. While Sustainable Development appears to be benign, its accompanying Global Biodiversity Assessment report states that only one billion people can be sustained in an industrial society! [Please Google for this Agenda 21 “biological diversity” map.]
An example of this is playing out right now in California, regarding the man made drought. This situation affects every American, as California’s Central Valley supplies our country with 50% of its vegetable, fruits and nuts (http://www.cdfa.ca.gov/, see the California Agricultural Statistical Review report). The federal Endangered Species Act, regarding the ‘threatened’ smelt minnow, is being used to severely restrict the water pump that delivers water from the Delta to the Central Valley farmlands, thus creating the drought condition. Both the federal Department of Interior and the federal Department of Commerce are claiming jurisdiction in order to control water resources.
California’s water usage is divided as follows:
48 % Environmental (federally regulated)
41 % Agricultural
11 % Urban
Interestingly, the sub-agencies of these two federal agencies that supplied the biological opinions are influenced by the United Nations. The UN was created in 1945, and the following year, the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) was created by the UN to act as a scientific advisor. The US Fish and Wildlife Service, a sub-agency of the Department of Interior, and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration and the National Marine Fisheries Service, sub-agencies of the Department of Commerce, are ... (350 word limit)
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